tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post8970437055927953410..comments2023-06-18T02:56:03.976-06:00Comments on Gallifrey Exile: The Curious Case of Orson PinkRickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-75352806595447401772019-08-04T11:51:00.809-06:002019-08-04T11:51:00.809-06:00So years later. On the topic of Orson Pink.
Its w...So years later. On the topic of Orson Pink. <br />Its weird but my assumption is that its a Clara Copy somewhere at some point. They never fully stated how many Clara there were in the Doctor's time stream. Also never truly verified it was just his past and not potentialfutures as well. Just that she was thrown into those points to "give the doctor what he needed" basically..(in canon but not for us viewers) to fix and prevent paradoxes and fixed points for the Doctor's timeline. <br />So since the Doctor and Missy both HAD to have that events happen in their timeline. there could have been a Clara that had interjected during one of their random dates and begate a child through it.<br />its dumb as bricks though.<br /><br /><br />Its FAR FAR easier and FAR less nonsense to assume that Orson Pink is from a different dimension. That the time travel "slingshot" worked correctly. But it fell through a hole in the dimensions (which do happen.. more often than it should). So he fell from dimension where Clara left the Doctor's travels to be with Pink. Or where Pink chose to return to life. (or most likely. The Doctor found a way to power up enough for both). <br />Then he ended up going too far into the future because of the dimensional hole. <br />The doctor didn't really know Orson's history. And. He couldn't properly recognize that he looked like danny (even if it was used more as a running in joke in the episode). <br /><br />So... I prefer that explaination. Cross dimensional time traveler. Who gets dropped off in the right "time" but not right dimension. And is just confused as heck but forgotten by the Doctor like any other "not right time" people.ZemZyloZwordsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07138156454799972337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-33710541454338001782018-01-02T06:28:46.336-07:002018-01-02T06:28:46.336-07:00I’ve been thinking about this episode. I think th...I’ve been thinking about this episode. I think the doctor changed Amy’s timeline during regeneration because she asked him to in the book. That meant the Amy he knew grew up resenting him but the version he visited at the end didn’t. <br /><br />As for Danny and Orson Pink, I thought the writing made it very obvious that the two of them got married and were his ancestors. Unfortunately Missy killed Danny before that happened. So they met Orson in Listen before his timeline was erased. carschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17752059533625505381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-65579209262342060612017-12-24T02:03:39.228-07:002017-12-24T02:03:39.228-07:00The long way around... just set the universe strai...The long way around... just set the universe straight or rescue danny, have a kid, i'll die when i damn well please, hmmm Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-26241787826064885122017-06-27T14:12:22.771-06:002017-06-27T14:12:22.771-06:00I imagine to some, it creates 'spin-off' p...I imagine to some, it creates 'spin-off' possibilities. To Each His Own, I guess.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-40100535739388453202017-06-27T14:11:48.656-06:002017-06-27T14:11:48.656-06:00W/regards to the Metaltron, I figured it was becau...W/regards to the Metaltron, I figured it was because Van Statten had no word for 'Dalek'. <br /><br />Continuity is something DW isn't very good w/, at least NuWho. Classic Who made the effort to not contradict itself (perhaps missing something in 26 years worth of programming). NuWho, in 10, delights in going against itself.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-14994624858052817102017-06-27T14:09:38.413-06:002017-06-27T14:09:38.413-06:00Back in the day, they had the position of Script E...Back in the day, they had the position of Script Editor to see how things fit and whether someone in Episode B contradicted something Episode A. <br /><br />Perhaps they ought to bring that back.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-5518770447086345362017-06-27T14:08:21.617-06:002017-06-27T14:08:21.617-06:00Thanks.
Too much timey-wimey for my tastes, but a...Thanks.<br /><br />Too much timey-wimey for my tastes, but an amusing overview of the plotholes along w/how to fill them!Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-38106863092645190202017-06-27T14:07:32.301-06:002017-06-27T14:07:32.301-06:00Thanks. I'll take your word for it because I&...Thanks. I'll take your word for it because I've no desire to watch again.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-23849232151402288772017-06-26T22:26:04.333-06:002017-06-26T22:26:04.333-06:00And thus many a fan-fic is written to fix the plot...And thus many a fan-fic is written to fix the plot holes. The TARDIS pushed Clara's fractured self to direct the 1st Doctor to her shell since the TARDIS knew who and where she came from. The TARDIS knows past and future, and time tracks can cross each other and make a mess. Orson Pink is from a parallel universe where Clara and Danny did marry, somehow he slipped a time track at the end of the Universe (probably because there were so many Doctors there viewing it at the same time) and ended up in the wrong universe. Doctor Who plot holes are the meat and potatos of fan-fic. Oh, I almost forgot. The 11th visiting Amelia at Amy's request was a dream sequence, where he planted all the stories Amy made up and made Rory play with her, to tide her over until he returned. The Doctor is telepathic so he could do that easily and Amy wouldn't remember he'd come back that first night. StitchinKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06003336962053246848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-18234957777777263092017-06-24T20:45:24.411-06:002017-06-24T20:45:24.411-06:00I'm not going to get into the "Who begat ...I'm not going to get into the "Who begat Orson Pink" question, but I will answer the Clara inside a Dalek question. When Missy put her in the shell/tank of the Dalek she specifically does something to the tank so that Clara cannot say anything about being inside the tank and she even says as much when she locks Clara inside. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792617781046311240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-64311930082044526962016-12-31T17:47:29.708-07:002016-12-31T17:47:29.708-07:00Usually I take this stuff with a grain of salt, it...Usually I take this stuff with a grain of salt, it's a time travel show, so maybe after Clara and Danny died, history, or the future, was changed. But there are two things that bothered me about this:<br />1)I feel like if you're going to introduce a character like Orson and strongly suggest that he's a descendant of Clara and Danny, there should be some explanation, if not, it makes "Listen" a pointless episode.<br />2)When The Doctor talks about saving Clara, the Gallifrians say her death is a fixed point in time, backed up by the fact that her heart never start beating again, implying that she always died then.<br />This is a show I really enjoy, and I'm wiling to give it a little leeway when it comes to continuity due to the fact that it's a time travel show and it's been around for so long and has so much history, but this bothered me as it was over the course of only a season and a half, all done under the same show runner.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09928566721586857914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-17402964965135513062016-12-07T08:02:57.824-07:002016-12-07T08:02:57.824-07:00It's a show about Time Travel and Time can be ...It's a show about Time Travel and Time can be rewritten.<br /><br />Did Harriet Jones serve three terms as Prime Minister or was she forced out of office after a few months - Both because Time can be rewritten (by the Doctor himself in this case).<br /><br />Why did Van Statten call his Dalek a Metaltron and talk of it as something very rare when there had been at least two world wide Dalek Invasions by that time - Because the episode Dalek takes place in a Timeline where those invasions had not happened.Corwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06027065823172906751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-15231521165481001402016-08-13T11:43:13.697-06:002016-08-13T11:43:13.697-06:00Lady me and Clara now have a time machine? Could c...Lady me and Clara now have a time machine? Could create loads of problemsJust mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819950461165920330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-11077483333553628162016-04-14T17:08:06.492-06:002016-04-14T17:08:06.492-06:00The answer to your question is simplicity itself:
...The answer to your question is simplicity itself:<br />Because Moffat Said So. End of Discussion.<br /><br />I've never weighed in to the RTD/SM debate as I've never had interest in it. I will say that I'm amazed how many people (down to my favorite nemesis, Kyle Anderson of The Nerdist) can constantly praise Moffat for contradicting what came before on DW.<br /><br />And more bizarre, not just contradict what came before RTD, or during RTD, but down to contradicting himself.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-913644024479449262016-04-13T18:39:56.634-06:002016-04-13T18:39:56.634-06:00I liked some of Moffat's stories, but overall ...I liked some of Moffat's stories, but overall - I preferred RTD. One, he brought it back. Two, he didn't generally as a rule just go "Well it's my head-canon so it WILL BE!" and take a crap on 50 years of history to do his own little fanboy weirdness. He also didn't need each companion to be more special than the last. I mean, if they keep going this way, a companion one upping their predecessor, they're going to end up pairing The Doctor with God.<br /><br />Frankly, I still prefer RTD, Moffat fanboyed far too much, contradicted himself frequently, but far more frequently destroyed 40+ years of history as well as his predecessor RTD. I'm actually glad Moffat is gone and am sort of hoping the Broadchurch bloke does a good hand better.<br /><br />I never liked the War Doctor, it was illogical and out of place - no matter how much I like John Hurt. While I loved Rose having a reprise - I think they should have gone the way that War was 8 much, much older and 8/"War" regenerated to 9. His crap of "Oh, well ACTUALLY War isn't part of the 12 regenerations. He's special. Cause I said so! But if you wanna get really technical - Eccleston was 10, Tennant was 11, Smith was 12, and Capaldi is 13." Was a load of horse poop. As was the whole "Time Lords can become women and Time Lady's can become men." when in official (old school included) canon - Lords get absolutely no choice in their regenerations while the Ladies if they concentrated and thought about it, could pretty much mold their new forms by will.<br /><br />Moving on to Danny. His death, while amazing and just thinking about it makes me sob - was pointless and silly and nullified most of the season. I was so angered by it. And hearing Clara died (spoilers for me I haven't watched the new season since it's no longer streaming) makes me angrier especially since I'd heard she was coming back. I mean - if they can bring back Glasses McDressedasPreviousDoctors, why can't they manage it with Danny and Clara.<br /><br />Furthermore - wanna explain to me why The Doctor couldn't have gone back in time and parked his butt in.. Idk Philly or Baltimore or Boston or heck Ithaca/Syracuse/Buffalo/Rochester (New York State) sent Amy a postcard and just picked her up? He clearly said he couldn't go back into NYC (that's stupid and highly illogical use of Angels, cue my eye rolls and heavy sighs) he never said he couldn't go back to that TIME.BlindTruthshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06713173817561949434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-72696578407301151582016-01-26T14:49:14.504-07:002016-01-26T14:49:14.504-07:00It would be fascinating to catalogue how many NuWh...It would be fascinating to catalogue how many NuWho episodes contradict each other or established Canon.<br /><br />While watching HORS (curious what the initials form) I too thought it curious that she would know of the so-called "War Doctor" when he was this big secret no one, not even The Doctor, acknowledged. <br /><br />Thanks for reminding us of more of these oddball moments.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611922269342141654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4955022874404775404.post-2225431536364955132016-01-26T06:45:40.229-07:002016-01-26T06:45:40.229-07:00Oh GOD This! So accurate. But the only differenc...Oh GOD This! So accurate. But the only difference is I CAN think of quite a few others.<br /><br />Lets start with Male / Female regeneration. After an age of wondering, yes, it was confirmed in The Doctor's Wife that gender switching regeneration was possible. But from the way the Doctor speaks of the Corsair, you could tell he was a real rarity amongst his people - especially for flitting back and forth all the time. But I can accept for some people that this might not be concrete enough evidence and, as we know, Moffat does ignore things not written by himself. So let's look at Moffat's own words about this - when in Night of the Doctor, Ohilla (leader of the Sisterhood of Kahn) clearly stated about Elixir of Life "Time Lord science is elevated here on Karn. The change doesn't have to be random. Fat or thin, young or old, man or woman?". So without Elixir of Life, it clearly is a bit more random. But we all clearly saw the General in Hell Bent take a swig before becoming a woman. No? Hmm - maybe it didn't make the edit.<br /><br />Fairly minor but just because it's the next one to occur, when Amy met her younger self, we'd kind of expect an explosion rather like the one in Mawdryn Undead when she ran her fingers through her own hair.<br /><br />Ah yes, the Husbands of River Song - wasn't it lovely, those pictures of the Doctor in her purse - all layed out in order. Which as this was very shortly before Silence in the Library, wouldn't she know that the Doctor she was encountering was younger than any other she had encountered before. (Let's face it - Big Finish clearly deserve some blame here too for having River meet Eight unless they wipe both of their memories).<br /><br />I nearly mentioned Sarah-Jane not having seen the Doctor since he left her in Aberdeen instead of Croydon which totally forgets the Five Doctors - but that one needs to be laid at RTD's door instead.<br /><br />As I'm at the end of lunch hour, I will end there - but there are MANY more.<br /><br />Stuart Pinel<br /><br />Sutekhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04065278342634556909noreply@blogger.com